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Answer 1 of 5: Hey everyone When we were in vegas 3 years ago there was a lord of the rings slot machine in New York New York, anyone know if its still there or if there any other casinos that have the game too now?

So I've been told by some APs I know that this slot machine gets +ER when the Fel Beast jackpot odds get to be 1 in 5 or better. I was wondering if anybody here had experience with the machine that they'd care to share. In particular :
(1) Which bonus game should you be picking for the +ER (or if they are all the same ER, lowest variance);
(2) Is there a significant difference to the ER of the machine if you play for the minimum credits vs maximum credits, or will it just take 10x as long to hit the Fel Beast progressive?
and really:
(3) How would you even go about analyzing this game? I probably dumped $1500 coin-in without getting a catapult. Short of having access to a PAR sheet, how would you ever be able to figure out the odds of the catapult hitting?

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The more '+ER' slots I play, the more I've come to doubt the info my AP buddies are sharing, and question whether I'm wonging into these slots correctly at all. I'm down around $500 lifetime trying to wong into the WMS G+ progressives, the Spielo machines, and the LOTR machine. Maybe it's best to just stick to UxP where the edge is crystal clear?

So I've been told by some APs I know that this slot machine gets +ER when the Fel Beast jackpot odds get to be 1 in 5 or better. I was wondering if anybody here had experience with the machine that they'd care to share. In particular :
(1) Which bonus game should you be picking for the +ER (or if they are all the same ER, lowest variance);
(2) Is there a significant difference to the ER of the machine if you play for the minimum credits vs maximum credits, or will it just take 10x as long to hit the Fel Beast progressive?
and really:
(3) How would you even go about analyzing this game? I probably dumped $1500 coin-in without getting a catapult. Short of having access to a PAR sheet, how would you ever be able to figure out the odds of the catapult hitting?
The more '+ER' slots I play, the more I've come to doubt the info my AP buddies are sharing, and question whether I'm wonging into these slots correctly at all. I'm down around $500 lifetime trying to wong into the WMS G+ progressives, the Spielo machines, and the LOTR machine. Maybe it's best to just stick to UxP where the edge is crystal clear?

1. Your buddies may very well be wrong. Do you know where they got this information from? Most slot games have multiple payback settings, so a profitable point to start playing in one casino may not be profitable in another.
2. Down $500 is nothing. You have not played anywhere near long enough for your results to be remotely meaningful. It's all random noise at this point. Any time the result of one spin could significantly change your lifetime results, your lifetime results are not significant. For games with large jackpots, it's entirely possible that you won't play enough in your entire lifetime for your results to be significant. Edge is not everything and playing with an edge does not guarantee profit.
3. You could figure out the odds by recording all your spins and determining the probability of each reel stop. The Wizard has done this for a few machines (look at his 'decontructing' pages on WoO) Unfortunately, if I remember the LoTR game correctly, shooting for the jackpots is determined by a single symbol showing up on a reel, so you would have to map a lot of spins (ie, enough for the symbol to show up many, many times) before you would have accurate results.

2. For games with large jackpots, it's entirely possible that you won't play enough in your entire lifetime for your results to be significant.

I would say 'in your entire life plus many many reincarnations'.
For those kind of jackpots, a cycle is in the order of multimillion. You need play many cycles to see the edge, if you ever have an edge at all.

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